This is sports karate. Karate that does not work if you’re going to fight the way you do at a tournament. If you think sports karate is effective in a fight, no… just no.
And before somebody goes “but they’re noobies”…. notice that the boxers are noobies, too.
I entered a tourney… Came at the opponent like a boxer.. He didn’t know what to do. Threw done easily blockage strikes and i roundhouse the open ribs… Catches my kick and i counter his throw… Dislocating his collar bone.
He comes back and ends up winning on points in 4 minutes… But i had finished the fight in less than 15 seconds.
The only way “sport karate” would not work in a street fight is if you don’t understand the application. Notice hear in the video the person doing Karate is not padded up and avoiding face contact. Anyone of those round kicks to the chin and the boxer is out.
Point fighting evolved from the basis that the first technique will either end the fight, or inflict enough damage to wear you can get away.
That’s not what you learn in sports karate, though, as it can be clearly seen in the video… and what does it matter, the boxers still knocked them on their butts. They were fighting the way they were taught, light contact or no contact, karate for sport, and they are doing it, clearly, in a contact fight. You can’t go any dumber than that.
I’m not saying techniques are wrong, or that sports karate doesn’t teach application… it’s just that they train for competition, so a lot of these “martial artists” don’t really even know how to properly hit. They can strike hard, sure, but a lot of them don’t know how to apply it to have real stopping power.
And the reason why sports karate doesn’t work is because it’s for sport, nothing more than point sparring (talking about competition driven styles here). That’s why it’s called sports karate, it’s about speed, who touches the other first. They train like that for years and then “retire” out of the sport when they become a black belt. Those who stay end up teaching the same thing over and over, aerobics, punch, kick, punch, kick, this is how you go in and make a point, lets go to a competition.
Sure it takes time and dedication, it’s takes stamina and skill, but that, in no way, makes it effective. Against someone who knows nothing of fighting, maybe. Then again, someone who knows nothing about fighting gets angry and out of control, sports karateka gets confused, because “that’s not how you’re supposed to fight”.
In the end, as they get older, most lose all their ability to time, and say things like “wow, I miss my old dojo, maybe I’ll go back” but never do, or things like “Yeah, I got a black belt, but I retired” or they are always talking about how many “fights” they’ve won during their “career” and how they beat this black belt and that other black belt that supposedly are so good, but they won 5-0, but they don’t realize they only won, because of the competitions rules and regulations, speed and point sparring, not because they are good at fighting and applying techniques and power.
When people talk like that about karate, that’s not karate. They are doing a sport that simulates karate. A lot of great teachers have fallen into this type of commercialized karate and teach little to no karate at all. The only thing they keep alive is kata and even that is getting lost, by making them over the top flashy and absurd, losing completely it’s meaning. Not to mention the extreme martial arts, which took that even further into the “this makes no sense” realm, and still dare to call it karate.
I understand that things change, and all that, but just because “that’s how it’s done now” “evolution” “get with the times” and all that crap, doesn’t mean it’s the right way to go with karate.
All it’s doing is breeding more and more athletes that end up “retiring” before even understanding what martial arts are about, instead of forging and shaping their minds and bodies into martial artists.
I’ve had the luxury of training in different schools, one that taught fundamentals and pounded them into you. The other teachers sport mainly (it does much on fundamentals too).
The big difference is time actually spent hitting something. In the first school, a third of the class was bag work. You learn how much your technique changes when you are trying to hit something… you overexert, you force, you over extend. You learn to strike the air in the same way that you would strike the bag/opponent. You roll your wrist from hitting wrong, you stub your toes from bad positioning, you feel what its like to be hit through holding a bag. You learn to breathe with the strike. The worst thing about this approach is that you don’t really spar with someone because you are going all out, all the time.
My favorite thing in this class. “Was someone in this room faster than you? If so, then you are dead.”
The second school teaches how to score points and how to effectively get the first hit. The best thing is you learn how to see the opponent. The worst thing is that you never hit anything with intent…aside from some flashy kicks on a heavy bag… never a punch into a target. I disagree with the concept of two people striking at the same time and the faster person wins. In real life…both are dead. You just stabbed each other…only one faster. In real life the goal is to NOT get hit.
My favorite thing about this class. “Make them think they got you. Then get them.”
There needs to be a bit of both, but sport is missing the INTENT and fundamentals is missing the ESSENCE. I like that I train in both.